Re: [ihc] Maybe the End to My Wartime Motor :(

["Ryan Moore" <baradium@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim or Ginger Aos" <jaos@domain.elided>
To: "Ryan Moore" <baradium@domain.elided>; "T.R.E.Jr." <T_R_E_Jr@domain.elided>;
"IHC-Digest" <ihc@domain.elided>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 19:34
Subject: Re: [ihc] Maybe the End to My Wartime Motor :(


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ryan Moore" <baradium@domain.elided>
> To: "T.R.E.Jr." <T_R_E_Jr@domain.elided>; "IHC-Digest" <ihc@domain.elided>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [ihc] Maybe the End to My Wartime Motor :(
>
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "T.R.E.Jr." <T_R_E_Jr@domain.elided>
> > To: "IHC-Digest" <ihc@domain.elided>
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 17:41
> > Subject: [ihc] Maybe the End to My Wartime Motor :(
> >
> >
> > > ---As suspected, there is gas in my oil. I am not sure how much as of
> yet,
> > > because I have never over-filled the crankcase with oil to know how
many
> > > extra quarts put the fluid level 2" over the full mark. I would guess
at
> > > least a gallon.
> > >
> >
> > Not much, a  quart or two can do it IIRC.  I don't even think it would
be
> > more than 2 quarts.
> >
> >
> > > --Today, after installing the passenger seat, which has been out since
I
> > > re-wired the Scout, we hopped in the Scout to pay bills, drop off a
> > package
> > > at the post office and do a little shopping at the grocery store. I
> should
> > > have checked the oil for gas due to the previous flooding of the carb,
> but
> > > for some reason... I didn't. Maybe it was due to us being so far
behind
> > and
> > > things needing to be done first. Maybe I have no real excuse at all
> except
> > > for my ignorance. I am not one to wish bad things upon someone else,
but
> I
> > > sure wish that the Ghost of Murphy, the person who originally cursed
us
> > with
> > > his law, turn toward someone else for a little while. In other words,
I
> > hope
> > > the "powers at be" are ready to give me break here.
> > >
> > > ---Tomorrow I am draining the oil out of the Scout. 7 quarts of Mobile
1
> > > synthetic that has less than 1000 miles on it, and a Mobile 1 oil
> filter.
> > > What a waste, much more so than to have it spill on the driveway,
which
> is
> > > how I discovered it in the first place. I guess now my new rear main
> seal
> > is
> > > toast, or gas slips past the seal easier than oil, it was dripping
like
> a
> > > leaky faucet when I parked it in the yard after running around town. I
> am
> > > sure my bearings are most likely a nice shade of copper and my lifters
> are
> > > primed with a substance more harsh than kerosene. The motor will get
at
> > > least, a good flush, fresh oil and filter and hopefully last another
> > > x(x),000 miles, but these last few thousand miles will not be off-road
> and
> > > she will be babied like she never imagined. :-(
> > >
> >
> > Actually, I believe kerosene is more harsh than gasoline, but that is
> > neither here nor there...
>
> Kerosene is next to diesel fuel, (I think) in lubricty, but better than
gas.
> We use it some times to cut the diesel in cold weather to keep it from
> gelling.  That is part of the reason that a diesel engine and the exhaust
> system last so much longer.  I stop my hercules gas engine by shutting the
> fuel off rather than the ignition.  That keeps from washing the lube oil
off
> the cylinder walls with the unburned gas.  These are things that I have
been
> taught over the last 45 years.  Even so, with evidence I will change my
> opinion.  Cheers Jim A.
> >
<snip>

I might have misremembered the flow chart I saw on where they took the base
oils for the different fuels.

However, after the initial refining process they get diesel, which they
refine to get kerosene which is refined to produce jet fuel.  They may add
various additives at any point and these days they might conduct multiple
refining processes at the same time, thus never getting diesel out before
getting the kerosene etc.

I was thinking that gasoline was lower on the chain than diesel etc.  Closer
to the bottom and the closer to where motor oil is refined some.  LPG comes
out at the top etc...  might have the gasoline and diesel backwards though
(and actually it'd make more sense if I did), don't think I have access to
that chart though, sorry.  Even if it's the other way, it's a lot better
than water in the gas.

-Ryan