Re: [ihc] Transmissions - Borg Warner

["William Cunningham" <slypigs@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Colin,
If you find that e-mail I would love to have a copy. I have not been 
able to locate a rear servo for the BW in my daughters 800B. The truck 
has the AMC 232. I may just drop a 345 and 727 into it because I have 
access to a Scout II without axles.

Willy

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:00:49 -0800
Colin M Rush <salmineo@domain.elided> wrote: 
> Dave,
>         I have an e-mail that is quite long that I composed 
> somewhere in
> this here mochine that has several links, and part numbers.  It was
> something that I sent to some AMC guys.  I will try to find it for 
> you on
> Friday.  If I have not gotten back to you by Saturday night, send me
> another line.  Just so I know, are you considering doing this 
> yourself,
> or having it done by a shop?
> -Colin
>
> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:50:46 -0500
> > From: David Bongo <dbongo@domain.elided>
> > Subject: Re: [ihc] Transmissions - Borg Warner
> > 
> > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:49:54 GMT, salmineo@domain.elided 
> > <salmineo@domain.elided>
> > wrote:
> > > Dave,
> > > In answer to your first question, the addition of an extra 
> > friction and
> > reaction plate would not be the cause of it not getting above 60-65 
> > MPH.  I
> > know plenty of people that put the V8 units behind 6-cylinders, 
> >with 
> > no
> > difference in performance.  The amount of additional mass is 
> > negligible
> > compared to the rest of the rotating assembly.
> > >
> > 
> > I didn't think so, but I figured I'd ask.  It's supposed to make 
> > the
> > unit slightly more "heavy duty" than the stock unit, but that's 
> > about
> > it.  No negatives, but a bit of a positive.  Looks like the 
> > problems
> > are all in the engine.
> > 
> > > Yes, the guy is right, the BW is not on par with a 727.  However, 
> > unless you
> > are into some hardcore stuff, there is nothing that the BW cannot 
> >do 
> > that the
> > 727 can do, and it does have some advantages.  The rotating mass in 
> > a BW is
> > much less than the 727, which should keep the rate of acceleration 
> > up, and
> > take less energy away from moving the rig.  I know some folks that 
> > put a 727
> > in a former Red Carpet Scout, and it required substantial cutting 
> >of 
> > the
> > floorboard, moving the engine up in the frame, and fabricating a 
> > crossmember
> > for the transmission.  Definitely not for the faint of heart.  The 
> > BW can be
> > built to take power if you want.  It is practically identical to 
> >the 
> > FMX, and
> > that was used for years behind Mustangs and Pintos at drag races 
> > around the
> > country, at least until newer units like the AOD came out.  You can 
> > get
> > high-energy friction materials for the BW, and Kolene steels if you 
> > wish, and
> > a shift kit, and a high stall convertor if you want, and all of the 
> > rest.
> > Heck, they were installed stock behind AMC 390s in AMXs for several 
> > years,
> > which were some of the hottest factory V8s sold back in the day. 
> > If 
> > you want,
> > you can adapt an FMX in place of a BW, but that again will involve 
> >a 
> > custom
> > convertor and a spacer plate between the bellhousing and engine, 
> >and 
> > some
> > other stuff that really eats up the time.  I did it on a '67 Rogue 
> > that
> > belongs to a fellow in my AMC club.  It was interesting, but once 
> >we 
> > got
> > beyond the initial cheap cost of the FMX purchase price and the 
> >dust 
> > settled,
> > it actually cost more than just using a stock BW and building that. 
> > 
> > What I am
> > saying is that if you have it done right, the BW should last longer 
> > than you
> > have the Scout, and will not require a bunch of extra work and time 
> > and sweat
> > and Scout butchery.
> > > -Colin Rush