Re: [ihc] Transmissions - Borg Warner

[Colin M Rush <salmineo@xxxxxxxx>]

Dave,
        I have an e-mail that is quite long that I composed somewhere in
this here mochine that has several links, and part numbers.  It was
something that I sent to some AMC guys.  I will try to find it for you on
Friday.  If I have not gotten back to you by Saturday night, send me
another line.  Just so I know, are you considering doing this yourself,
or having it done by a shop?
-Colin

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:50:46 -0500
> From: David Bongo <dbongo@domain.elided>
> Subject: Re: [ihc] Transmissions - Borg Warner
> 
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:49:54 GMT, salmineo@domain.elided 
> <salmineo@domain.elided>
> wrote:
> > Dave,
> > In answer to your first question, the addition of an extra 
> friction and
> reaction plate would not be the cause of it not getting above 60-65 
> MPH.  I
> know plenty of people that put the V8 units behind 6-cylinders, with 
> no
> difference in performance.  The amount of additional mass is 
> negligible
> compared to the rest of the rotating assembly.
> >
> 
> I didn't think so, but I figured I'd ask.  It's supposed to make 
> the
> unit slightly more "heavy duty" than the stock unit, but that's 
> about
> it.  No negatives, but a bit of a positive.  Looks like the 
> problems
> are all in the engine.
> 
> > Yes, the guy is right, the BW is not on par with a 727.  However, 
> unless you
> are into some hardcore stuff, there is nothing that the BW cannot do 
> that the
> 727 can do, and it does have some advantages.  The rotating mass in 
> a BW is
> much less than the 727, which should keep the rate of acceleration 
> up, and
> take less energy away from moving the rig.  I know some folks that 
> put a 727
> in a former Red Carpet Scout, and it required substantial cutting of 
> the
> floorboard, moving the engine up in the frame, and fabricating a 
> crossmember
> for the transmission.  Definitely not for the faint of heart.  The 
> BW can be
> built to take power if you want.  It is practically identical to the 
> FMX, and
> that was used for years behind Mustangs and Pintos at drag races 
> around the
> country, at least until newer units like the AOD came out.  You can 
> get
> high-energy friction materials for the BW, and Kolene steels if you 
> wish, and
> a shift kit, and a high stall convertor if you want, and all of the 
> rest.
> Heck, they were installed stock behind AMC 390s in AMXs for several 
> years,
> which were some of the hottest factory V8s sold back in the day.  If 
> you want,
> you can adapt an FMX in place of a BW, but that again will involve a 
> custom
> convertor and a spacer plate between the bellhousing and engine, and 
> some
> other stuff that really eats up the time.  I did it on a '67 Rogue 
> that
> belongs to a fellow in my AMC club.  It was interesting, but once we 
> got
> beyond the initial cheap cost of the FMX purchase price and the dust 
> settled,
> it actually cost more than just using a stock BW and building that.  
> What I am
> saying is that if you have it done right, the BW should last longer 
> than you
> have the Scout, and will not require a bunch of extra work and time 
> and sweat
> and Scout butchery.
> > -Colin Rush