Re: [alfa] 105/115 starter interchange

["Jason Hagen" <hagen_jason1@xxxxxxx>]

"Won't work", and "shouldn't do" are separate discussions.  Yes, on my '73 
it DID NOT WORK.  That's because I had a great flywheel, which wasn't worn, 
and the teeth on a 1.1HP starter are not the same pitch, so they would not 
mesh with my ring gear.  As such, the engine would only turn over some of 
the time.  This was on a brand new gear reduction starter meant for the '75 
to '90 Spiders.  Once I consulted a true Alfa mechanic, he told me to simply 
install the correct starter (from a series 4) which has the same number of 
teeth on the 72-74 ring gear.  It works perfect now.

Many people cram the wrong starters on these cars.  It is not a good idea.  
Also, many '72-'74 had their ring gears converted to the '75-'90 version.  I 
forget which were 130 and which 131, but it pays to do your homework and 
install the correct starter.

-Jason Hagen
'73 Spider
'95 164Q



> From: sherwood white <vze2skmv@domain.elided>
> Reply-To: sherwood white <vze2skmv@domain.elided>
> To: Jason Hagen <hagen_jason1@domain.elided>
> CC: bshorey@domain.elided, dloomis@domain.elided, alfa-digest@domain.elided
> Subject: Re: [alfa] 105/115 starter interchange
> Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:08:38 -0700
>
> i have put at least 40 75=82 starters on 72-74 105's now your telling me it
> won't work don't sound right
>
> Jason Hagen wrote:
>
> > Alfa changed ring gears in '75 on these cars.  The only other starter 
> you
> > want to put on your '72 (assuming it has the oroginal ring gear) is one 
> from
> > a series 4 spider (1991- 1994).  I just did this for my '73 Spider and 
> it
> > works perfect.  I had tried the one from the '75 - '90 but it grinded.  
> If
> > you have any questions on this, call Paul at DiFatta Brothers and he can
> > explain it to you.  The series 4 starter (Bosch gear reduction) is
> > expensive, but worth it.
> >
> > Again, do NOT put the worng starter in this car.  You will chew up your 
> gear
> > gear, regardless of whether the starter has the same number of teeth
> > (because the pitch is different).
> >
> > -Jason Hagen
> > '73 Spider
> > '95 164Q
> >
> > >From: "Brian Shorey" <bshorey@domain.elided>
> > >Reply-To: "Brian Shorey" <bshorey@domain.elided>
> > >To: "'Dana Loomis'" <dloomis@domain.elided>, <alfa-digest@domain.elided>
> > >Subject: RE: [alfa] 105/115 starter interchange
> > >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 00:44:13 -0400
> > >
> > > > The starter on my '72 GTV motor has died and I'm searching
> > > > for another one to use while the original one is being
> > > > rebuilt.  Problem is, early 2 liter starters are fairly rare.
> > > >  The other starters in my parts cache are a 3-bolt 1600
> > > > starter (won't work; the pinion has the wrong number of
> > > > teeth) and one from a late '70s-early '80s spider.  The
> > > > spider starter is bigger and heavier than the original one,
> > > > but the pinion has the same number of teeth (9).  I suppose
> > > > it's the 1.1 HP type, but I'm not certain.
> > > >
> > > > The question is whether this later starter will work on an
> > > > early 2 liter motor.  I have heard that the ring gears may
> > > > have different numbers of teeth, but I don't know this for
> > > > certain.  However, I have used the reduction gear starter
> > > > from a late model spider on an early 2 liter engine without
> > > > any problem.  I have also heard that the heavy 1.1 HP starter
> > > > can break the bellhousing if it's installed without a special
> > > > bracket, which I don't have.
> > >
> > >If it's got the same number of teeth (9 vs 8), then it will work fine.
> > >Weight could be an issue, I wouldn't leave it there long term without
> > >the support bracket.
> > >
> > >The reduction gear starters are the best!
> > >
> > >bs
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