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[ihc] Surplus cabs and such



At 9:03 PM -0700 12/13/04, Mac McMuffin wrote:
from everything i've seen and heard, the answer is no, you can't get a
compleat cab.  generally speaking, these cabs are excessed because they are
deemed beyond repair or salvage, or missing too many parts to make repair
economical.  often that means they are missing critical parts or that
important structural members are damaged.  you won't find the missing parts
in the lots liquidated with the cabs.  Osh-Kosh can't/won't sell the
neccessary parts to the general public, and the military won't sell them if
they can use them, which means if they're not there you're going to have to
fab something up.  if the military can't use these parts, the odds are good
that neither can anyone else without a lot of work.

I think that's mostly correct, Mac, but not in all cases. I guess it depends on what we mean by complete. I have seen a number of them that are solid, with doors. All the glass is flat anyway, and everything inside the cab could be pulled from the donor truck.

There are many different definitions of 'surplus', even in a very regimented (sorry) system. In the past two years I have been to a couple surplus/salvage auctions a month, and am amazed at what is deemed unserviceable. Some of the stuff isn't worth the pallet it's sitting on ($1), but some of the stuff is brand new or practically so. Often I'll come across a computer that works fine, but was reported as 'broken', I presume to allow for an upgrade. I bought a $1200 laptop for $300 because a tech didn't take the time to unplug a PRAM battery; a workgroup laser printer with less than 8000 pages on it made its way home with me because nobody bothered to change the toner.

If you spend a little time on govliquidation, it becomes pretty easy to tell the difference. And some of the pieces are just absolutely brand new. Perhaps they're end of life, or have an expiration date, or the guy or gal running the depot is tired of looking at those pistons for a GM 6.2l diesel, new-in-box. Last week there was a complete (as in, not sawn through) Humvee tub, which we all know isn't supposed to happen. I know there's a system, but I also know that the creativity of the human mind has beaten any and every repressive system ever devised by other, usually less creative, humans.

:-)

Which is not to say that this is necessarily a good or easy idea for John. But if he lives near a DRMO site that has one for $35, it seems like it might be worth a try. I actually wanted one for inside my house, set it up as a gaming station. I don't even play video games, I just thought it would be a really neat piece of monster art.

The steering would be the main bugaboo, I think, but we're not talking about a road vehicle, IIRC, but a farm or ranch one. There have been lots of harder conversions done over the years to keep things running on the ranch!

Okay, time for some coffee. My best to all!

Joel
Who's coveting a B-series travelette these days. ;-)



 you will find HMMWV
doors, hoods, and tops, 2.5-ton and 5-ton doors, tops, top bows, and related
equipment or sheet metal.  but HEMTT/LVS doors or tops (for those few with
open tops or crew-served weapons mounts)?  not very likely.  if they're
selling this stuff through the DRMO/DRMS, it means Osh-Kosh said they
couldn't or wouldn't recycle them.  what does that tell you?

that's not to say the stuff is useless, or that Joel F's idea won't work.  i
think it's a sound idea, but be prepared for some work to make it happen.
it's not a drop-in transplant and it's going to take some problem-solving on
the part of anybody who wants to tackle the project.  i think it'd be great,
myself.  extremely difficult to make work with my B182, with that short
wheelbase and all, but...  hrmmm...  what else do i have that i can play
with?  hrmmmmm....

## >> Aren't those cabs extremely wide?

the cabs measure 96 inches wide, not counting things like mirrors and
external fixtures.  these are *BIG* trucks.  they're also built to
accomodate 56" tires (the standard tire diameter for both the HEMTT and the
LVS) and i'm pretty sure a wider than normal frame.  they also have a very
large centre engine hump.  that's not to say it can't be done, that they
can't be adapted to fit something like a 1300 or 1500 chassis, but it'll be
a chore, for sure.  they are cab-forward, and place the driver five or six
feet in front of the leading axle in the two steering axles and entirely in
front of the leading tires, which is to say the cab sticks *WAY* out in
front.  i don't know what it'll take to hook up a steering and shifting
setup to use these with a conventional chassis, but i'll bet it'll be
complicated, and i don't think the cabs come with any of that gear in them.

here's some good information on the HEMTT and MK48 LVS trucks, including
full specs:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/hmett.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mk48.htm

## >> As far as travelalls, the D series is only longer in the
## >> 74-75 years.  I was
## >> trying to say that it's close enough to be the same, but left
## >> out a few
## >> words after "long bed pickup."

according to the Crismon book, the Unistar has a 121" wheelbase.  TravelAlls
from 1969 through 1973 have a 119" wheelbase, TravelAlls in 1974 and 1975
have 120" wheelbase.  i'm pretty sure A and B series TravelAlls 1957 to 1960
have a 114" wheelbase, and i don't remember what they have from 1961 through
1969.  sorry, but it's been a really long day and i don't feel like crawling
over there and opening the Grey Bible right now.  i'll probably just drop it
and break my foot if i tried to pick it up anyway.  i'll look later if
somebody really wants to know.

## >> And I never thought there was such a thing as too heavy duty
## >> of a drive
## >> train!  ;)  Less stuff to break if you're really using the rig.
## >>
## >> -Ryan

that's my take on it too.  bigger and heavier equals more resistant to
Mandera-like activities (no offense, Tom), or worse, Mac-like mistakes.  i'm
all for it.

--Mac

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