Re: [ihc] Transmissions - Borg Warner

[David Bongo <dbongo@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:46:46 -0600, Ryan Moore <baradium@domain.elided> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Hermann" <bearbvd@domain.elided>
> To: "willy cunningham" <slypigs@domain.elided>; "David Bongo"
> <dbongo@domain.elided>
> Cc: <ihc@domain.elided>; "Colin M Rush" <salmineo@domain.elided>
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 01:51
> Subject: Re: [ihc] Transmissions - Borg Warner
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> > At 9:43 PM 12/10/04, willy cunningham wrote:
> > >Dave,
> > >I don't know if there are any 727 to AMC 232 applications out there.
> >
> > There sure are.
> >
> > Jeep used the 727 behind (at least) the AMC V-8's for a while. As I said
> > the other day, the bell bolt pattern on the 232/258 6's is identical to
> > that on the AMC V-8's, and also to that on the later jeep '4 liter' 6's.
> >
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> Wasn't it also brought up that this is only true after '71?  That the early
> 6cyls and v8s don't match?  Which brings the question whether they went to
> the 6cyl pattern or the v8 pattern as the standard, no?
> 

A few years ago somebody on this list was talking about putting a
modern 4.0L Jeep engine with a 727 into a Scout 80/800.  Lemme see if
I can find it.....

From Digest V6 # 3141:
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:00:45 -0400
From: bearbvd@domain.elided (Greg Hermann)
Subject: Re: Trans ID in 258 Scout II

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The AMC 232 and 258 I-6's, the J**p 4.0 I-6, and all the AMC V-8's  (304,
345, 360 390, 401) have identical bell housing bolt patterns.

Sounds as though there are SOME AMC cars, SOME J**p trucks, and some IH's
(with a 258 engine) that ALL came with a 727 at one time or another.

All one REALLY needs is one of the 727 cases with this AMC bolt pattern,
along with the internals and tail-housing/TC adapter and mainshaft from
(ANY) 727 equipped Scout in order to mate a 727 and Scout drivetrain to a
232, 258 OR a 4.0.

Crank pilot hole diameters are pretty trivial to deal with (if you plan)
compared to bell housing adapters !!

Greg (thinking a 4.0/727  in a Scout 800A would make a seriously nice
engine swap for a daily driver/occasional off road multi-use vehicle)

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Of course, Ryan, there is that new bit of info about the bellhousings
pre- and post-1971.  IF the bellhousing thing works out, another
advantage to staying in the AMC family would be the ability to drop an
OD tranny in later on.

So, Greg.  You thought about this a little over 2 years ago.  Was it
an just an idle thought, or did you really get down to planning it and
find real problems?

Dave