Re: [ihc] need some advice on possible scout purchase

["Joseph Shaw, II" <josephshaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Greg said:

If it's stock, a 196 powered 800 should have 4.27 gears, same as the 152
800's did. does fine highway with these, and will even pull an overdrive
ratio (yep, I once swapped a Dana 18 case with Warn OD into a 196 800 with
4.27 gears and it worked fine, even with 31" tires, on the highway, AT 7K
HOME ALTITUDE.


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I had a '67(?) 800 w/152 that had even higher gears-4.54's maybe(?), but I
was thinking even taller than that.  It was REALLY slow-55 was about pushing
it.  Perhaps they were special order or something, but it also didn't seem
to have so much oomph I was ever tempted to change to something more
highway-friendly!
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Greg said:
If you want more, a 196 is a NATURAL for a turbo. The engine is enormously
strong relative to its output, there is GOBS of room for plumbing both
under the hood AND in front of the radiator (for an IC). With an (export
only) low compression head and matching pistons, one could likely run
20--25 psi of boost without a blink if it were converted to injection !!
Finding a late model, improved cooling type, 196 might be a wise idea if
one were planning to get this crazy.

A (IH) V-8 into a 4 cyl 800 is NEVER an easy swap !! Frame, radiator,
radiator location, transmission location, shifter cane holes in the tunnel
cover (fore and aft location thereof), bell housing, clutch linkage,
steering linkage (drag link length), steering box (inside vs. outside
frame), driveshaft lengths are ALL different !!



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I did not say, "easy," but "easier."  However, it sounds like they are the
same.  I thought there was something done differently in the 196, due to its
increased height, that made more room for the V8 height-did not realize it
was simply turning the engine more.  I thought they were a more direct
swap-out.  Sorry for the mis-information!
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A 196 from a Scout II will swap in, but you will need the bell housing,
tranny input shaft, intake manifold, clutch and linkage, motor mounts, and
all of the accessory drive brackets from a 4 cyl in a Scout 80/800 to make
it work. 152 and 196 intake manifolds are not the same (much taller intake
ports on a 196). Early vs. Scout II 4 cyl intakes are not the same because
the engines were mounted with the bank of cylinders sitting at different
angles in the trucks--450 in a Scout II, vs. 30 0 in the Scout 80/800's.

Greg