Re: [ihc] need some advice on possible scout purchase

[bearbvd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Greg Hermann)]

At 8:44 AM 2/1/04, Joseph Shaw, II wrote:

If it's stock, a 196 powered 800 should have 4.27 gears, same as the 152
800's did. does fine highway with these, and will even pull an overdrive
ratio (yep, I once swapped a Dana 18 case with Warn OD into a 196 800 with
4.27 gears and it worked fine, even with 31" tires, on the highway, AT 7K
HOME ALTITUDE.

If you want more, a 196 is a NATURAL for a turbo. The engine is enormously
strong relative to its output, there is GOBS of room for plumbing both
under the hood AND in front of the radiator (for an IC). With an (export
only) low compression head and matching pistons, one could likely run
20--25 psi of boost without a blink if it were converted to injection !!
Finding a late model, improved cooling type, 196 might be a wise idea if
one were planning to get this crazy.

A (IH) V-8 into a 4 cyl 800 is NEVER an easy swap !! Frame, radiator,
radiator location, transmission location, shifter cane holes in the tunnel
cover (fore and aft location thereof), bell housing, clutch linkage,
steering linkage (drag link length), steering box (inside vs. outside
frame), driveshaft lengths are ALL different !!

A 196 from a Scout II will swap in, but you will need the bell housing,
tranny input shaft, intake manifold, clutch and linkage, motor mounts, and
all of the accessory drive brackets from a 4 cyl in a Scout 80/800 to make
it work. 152 and 196 intake manifolds are not the same (much taller intake
ports on a 196). Early vs. Scout II 4 cyl intakes are not the same because
the engines were mounted with the bank of cylinders sitting at different
angles in the trucks--450 in a Scout II, vs. 30 0 in the Scout 80/800's.

Greg

>John-
>
>I suppose it depends on HOW MUCH rust/bondo, etc, and how much you want it,
>of course.  I have seen some that sound even worse go for more on ebay, and
>have, on occasion, kicked myself in the butt for not having bought a few for
>even less, but letting them get away.  Because they are a bit fewer and
>farther between, if you let one go, sometimes it is a LONG time before you
>find another you might want.
>
>Also, I like the 196 engine.  The ones with 152's are not very capable of
>highway speeds, usually are geared higher anyway because of this, and simply
>aren't up to modern day snuff if you are using it for more than local
>errands and running around town, in my opinion.  However, the 196 has just
>enough more oomph to make it better in these ways, you can interchange with
>a later 196 if you find one out of a Scout II that may have even more oomph,
>and I believe that you can swap in a V8 much easier, should you ever find
>you want or need to.  Also, because of the extra guts, they often are geared
>a little lower, which allows for more axle/differential options.
>
>But this is, of course, just my opinion!
>
>Good luck!
>
>Michael
>
>
>> I could use some advice on a potential purchase. There's a 67 800 for sale
>> in my neighborhood, and I'm more than tempted... I've plenty of work on
>the
>> Travelall yet, and not a lot of spare time, but... Let me just ask if you
>> think it's a reasonable price: He wants $800. Odo reads 35K, so likely
>135K.
>> It's mechanically sound, but the body is rough. It has the 196, 3 speed
>> manual, Dana 44 rear, 30 front, unknown ratios, dual tanks. Runs great,
>> drives well, everything works. He has the "pickup" style (halfcab?) top on
>> it, but it's from a Scout 80, and doesn't fit properly. He also has the
>full
>> size 800 top, in the yard under snow. There's rust (floors and fender
>> wells), and bondo, and primer, but no major dents or crumples in the body.
>> It would be quite a project for me to get it looking decent... As you can
>> probably tell, I'm not experienced with Scouts. I love the lines of the
>> earlier models, and have always wanted one, but this one? Does it sound
>like
>> it's worth $800? Don't know what they are worth... I'm not looking for a
>> Scout II, and the 80s and 800s don't come up all that often, so like I
>said,
>> I'm tempted... Any and all thoughts appreciated, guys. Thanks, -John A.
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