RE: Priming the oil pump

["Stegmann, Steve" <Steve.Stegmann@domain.elided>]

Eldon,

Didn't I hear someone say to fill the pump with vaseline during assembly to
assist with priming the pump.

BTW I was looking at my rockers the other day through the oil fill hole and
there appears to be oil to the rocker, but there isn't oil everywhere like
in most engines I've opened.  There seems to be oil where the rocker pivots
on the shaft but it is really clean everywhere else.  Is this normal.

My engine runs fine.  When I listen with a stethoscope it makes no more
noise than any other engine I've ever listened to.  I have no reason to
suspect a problem it just doesn't look as oily as I'm used to.  Fords and
Toyotas seem to have oil everywhere in there.  This really seems to have it
only where needed???

Any comments?

Thanks for helping Mike

Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	EldonMcf@domain.elided [SMTP:EldonMcf@domain.elided]
> Sent:	Monday, April 12, 1999 10:26 AM
> To:	ihc@domain.elided
> Cc:	fly4scout@domain.elided; Stegmann, Steve
> Subject:	Re: Priming the oil pump
> 
> In a message dated 4/11/99 11:27:10 PM Central Daylight Time, Steve
> Stegmann 
> <stegmann@domain.elided> writes: (hollered)
> 
> > Mike,
> >  
> >  You need to talk to Eldon McFarling.
> >  
> >  Eldon -- Help.  Mike can't get his oil pump to prime.
> >  
> >  Steve
> 
>     
>     Steve & Mike,
> 
>      I breezed right thru the digest, and missed that one.  Lets see if we
> 
> can figger out whats going on here....
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:55:10 -0700
> >  From: mike d ryan <fly4scout@domain.elided>
> >  Subject: Priming the oil pump
> >  
> >  HELP!!!   
> >  I planned to install my new engine in the morning (Saturday), so
> tonight
> >  I tried to pressurize the oil system be turning the oil pump with a
> drill
> >  and adapter tool.  I didn't see any oil filling the boat style rockers
> >  (through the oil fill hole), so I removed the oil passage plug in one
> of
> >  the heads and tried again.  No oil came out.
> 
>      There is not a plug in the head that connects to a pressurized oil 
> passage.  The only plug in the head intersects with a drain oil passage in
> 
> the head.  If that is the plug that you took out then no oil should come
> out. 
>   Getting oil to the rockers would take a little while since it would
> first 
> have to fill all the oil passages, and rocker shaft.
> 
> 
> >   I even spun the pump
> >  backwards just to make sure I wasn't turning it the wrong way.
> >  
> >  Will using the drill technique on a rebuild oil pump be sufficient to
> >  prime the pump and pressurize the system, or do I need a different
> >  technique? 
> 
>     The drill setup will work, but I like to do this operation by hand so
> you 
> can feel the oil pump get primed.  I use a speed handle with an extension,
> 
> and a screwdriver bit to turn the oil pump.  When you are turning the pump
> 
> this way you can feel the resistance increase when the oil pump gets
> primed.  
> If everything is in good shape the pump should easily prime itself while 
> turning it slowly.
> 
>    To see if you have oil flowing thru the block, remove one of the oil 
> galley plugs on the left side of the block, or the oil sender.  If you
> have a 
> supply of oil there then the pump is primed, and oil is getting to the 
> passeges inside the engine.  If there is no oil there loosen the oil
> filter 
> and see if you have oil flowing from the oil pump.  If there is no oil 
> getting to the filter the passage from the oil pump to the filter could be
> 
> plugged, or the pump could be defective.
> 
>    To insure that you are getting oil to the rocker arms, continue turning
> 
> the oil pump, and also turn the crankshaft a couple revolutions.  If you 
> still cannot tell if the rocker shaft is getting oil you may have to
> remove 
> the rocker shaft, and see if oil is coming thru the passage in the head.
> If 
> there is no oil there, the oil passage could be blocked, or a cam bearing 
> could be positioned wrong, blocking the oil passage.  To make sure you
> should 
> check both sides.
> 
> > I don't want to install the engine until I'm sure I'll have
> >  oil pressure.  I  hope there's an easier solution to this problem than
> >  dropping the pan and pump, but I doubt it.  What could cause the pump
> not
> >  to pressurize?  
> 
>       Thats a good plan, make sure everything is right before going to all
> 
> the work of installing the engine.  Check it out and see if you are
> pumping 
> any oil at all, if so its probably ok, just make sure everything is
> getting 
> oil.  If the pump will not prime it could have excessive clearance between
> 
> the gears, and endplate, or the gears could be worn excessively. 
> 
> >  
> >  Thank you for any help.
> >  
> >  Mike Ryan
> >  1977 Scout II, 304 (soon ported 345), automatic, Dana 300, 3.54 gears,
> >  4" superlift springs, 1.25" body lift, 33 X 12.5 Swamper TSL Radials
> 
> 
>   Good luck with it Mike, and let us know what you find out.
> 
> 
> Eldon McFarling
> Ceresco, NE
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