HELP!!! SCOUT II QUESTION....

["Matt and Stacy Sopher" <sopher@domain.elided>]

Hi all,
Brian S. and I have been working on this Scout II now for two days!!! AND we
haven't gotten anywhere!!

This is my problem. Turn the key on, turn over engine, turn off key, starter
stays engaged.

Fine, we unhooked all wires except main power wire on the starter. We then
tried jumping current from the upper ig terminal. turns over, pull off jump
wire, still turns over. We thought, maybe it's a bad starter. So we went
down to the junk yard, got a starter, put it in, tried then, again, then
stayed on. When we tried again. nothing. Shoot.
So we decided to take the original starter down to have it tested. works.
Even the selenoid works, but of course, this starter isn't under any
load.  So Brian buys a new starter and selenoid to get rid of the idea that
they were bad. Brian goes home. BTW, that's 3+ hours away.
Brian comes back in the morning.
Allright, Brian takes out the junk yard starter, and puts in the new starter
back in. Hook up the wires. Look it all over, looks good. Fire it up. turn
the key off, starter still engaged!
Brian pulls the starter off again....four times now.  We take it down, have
it tested, thinking we got a bad new starter. Runs great. Damn. We ask the
guy what could be wrong. He said maybe the starter can't totally disengage
because it's too close to the bellhousing. Try putting in a spacer. DUH, we
thought, maybe that would work. So we went back, took out the starter again,
put in a spacer, tried again.
THIS time, when it turned over, sometimes when you cranked it, the starter
would slip, the selenoid would disengage. but when it would catch, still the
same problem, RR RR RR RR RR RR!
So we went back and talk to an IH enthusiast and asked him about it. He said
maybe we fried the contacts in the selenoid, as there was a red wire coming
from the coil to the lower post on it.  So we got another selenoid. So, we
went back, pulled the starter again. Went to put on the "new" selenoid, and
Brian noticed that this one look "not so new". We took it apart and saw he
was right, as there were burn marks on the washer inside the selenoid.took
off with both selenoids, brought it back to the store. He said it was fine.
AND, thought the first starter that was in the Scout in the first place may
not be bad. OLd, but not bad! The kid that tested it just didn't know how to
diagnose it.
So we returned one of the selenoids, and got back way after dark.
Brian went back home.
We are very frustrated. Confused.
What could be the problem. At one point, we basically bench tested the
starter while it was installed. All wires disconnected, all of them. Took a
positive jumper cable, put it on the center bolt on the celenoid. Then took
the negative cable, grounded it on the frame. then took a jumper wire, and
jumped the top post on the selenoid to the middle post. It would turn over,
but when I pulled the jumper off, it would still turn over.....HELP!!!
Matt Sopher AND Brian Schwirzbin