>with a soilid anchor, you can pull a bard off of it's foundation. and A bard? You mean like Shakespeare? That could be amusing to watch. I'd rather see you do it to a mime, however. In Use: 70 1210 4x4 TE, 73 1210 WM Project (2nd time) 67 1000B PU Parts: 67 1000B TA 68 1100 4x4 TA 72 1010 TA