The lighting FAQ page I posted a while back (wait a minute, here: http://lighting.mbz.org/faq/) calls them "Vision-Minus." So I e-mailed the guy and he says that the Cibie's are the way to go. In Use: 70 1210 4x4 TE, 73 1210 WM Project (2nd time) 67 1000B PU Parts: 67 1000B TA 68 1100 4x4 TA 72 1010 TA