Joel, <<Keep your foot out, and always be the LAST one from the light, and you'll get 14 mpg easy.>> 1 - Don't the people behind you start honking at you and saluting you, etc. 2 - I find it much more fun to always be the first, which is probably why I hate the way my T-19 speed shifts, or doesn't speed shift, that is. <vbg> STeve