Steering and towing,

[jmbrodsky@domain.elided]

Yank,

     I did one of these saginaw units a few years ago.  Wouldn't do it again, 
too heavy, awkward, fluid squirt in the eyes, and 4 days.  Learning curve?  
Anyway, the cap comes off with 4 screws if I remember right.  When you turn that
adjuster on top (allen bolt with a locknut?) all you are doing is controlling 
how far down on the rack the steering gear rides.  If you adjust it so that it's
ok when straight then it may bind when turning.  Anyhow, if you can take the cap
off, you may be able to Heli-coil the cap.  5/16-18?  Not sure.

Anyway, they are a bear and a half to get out so try to get just the cap if you 
can.

     Let us know,


     -Joel Brodsky

         '76 IHC Scout II 345/tf727
         '75 IHC Travelall 150 4wd 392/tf727
         '72 Chev Carryall 3dr 4wd 350/th350 sold, but not forgotten.

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:48:22 -0500
From: Yank Yarborough <102557.1565@domain.elided>
Subject: Power Steering Box

IH All,
A couple of weeks ago, I posted a problem I encountered while trying to
adjust the play out of my steering. After loosening the lock nut and
turning in the adjusting rod, I was unable to get fluid to stop leaking
from around the lock nut/adjusting rod. I found that either the threads on
the rod or the threads in the top of the unit are stripped. To get the lock
nut tight enough to stop the leak, I had to put a washer under the lock
nut. 
This weekend, I atttempted to adjust the play out again, and found that I
can turn the adjusting rod in to tighten up the steering. But when I
tighten up the lock nut, the adjusting rod pulls out due to the stripped
threads. So, now there is more play in the steering than before. I'm doing
everything as per the manual; holding the adjusting rod in place as I
tighten the lock nut, etc.
Does anyone have an extra power steering unit laying around that they are
will to get rid of? I really hate to pull the unit off my 73 because I
still use it on occasion. I'm not sure if I need the adjusting rod assembly
or just the top.
Has anyone rebuilt one of these units?
Thanks in advance,
Yank 

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Chris and Ranae,

     I knew having that Chev would help here on the IHDigest!  Anyway, My T'all 
is 120" WB, and the '72 Sub was 127"WB.  The turning radius on the T'all is 
amazingly in comparison,  and I think it's due to the limits on the axle.  IH 
must figure that since it's SOOOO heavy that you'll drive slow so you won't blow
the front joints out turning.  The Chev on the other hand, turns with less angle
on the front axle, and I believe because people tend to drive Sub's like cars.  
fast corners and the like.

     The major difference in towing between the two trucks for me seemed to be 
the absence of weight on the rear end of the Chev.  The Suburban is the same as 
the pickup LB chassis.  Exactly the same.  All that it has different is 2 more 
doors (only 1 more from '67 to '72), and some glass and a bit of metal on the 
cap.  The bed of the sub is lighter than the pickup because you can't load a 
motor in a Sub. and the Sub bed is only single wall.  Well, I picked up a whole 
yamaha 400 and loaded it mine and minehad the original factory 3/4" marine 
plywood bed/deck.  Anyway, since the load is less, the construction is less and 
makes the back of the Sub very light and prone to wander on the highway.  My 
T'all pulls like a train.  I got better mileage with the trailer on the 
T'all,than in town and I often forgot it was there.  Just had to look in the 
mirror to remember tho'.

     Seems like the track on the Sub was about 4" wider that the T'all.

     Hope any of this helped at all,


     -Joel Brodsky

         '76 IHC Scout II 345/tf727
         '75 IHC Travelall 150 4wd 392/tf727
         '72 Chev Carryall 3dr 4wd 350/th350 sold, but not forgotten.

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:24:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris & Ranae Procyk <procyk19@domain.elided>
Subject: Towing

>The Traveler has a 118 inch wheel base and I 
>don't remember what the Travelall has, but it's a lot more. My Travelall 

Oddly enough, "a lot more" turns out to only be 1".  All '61 on
Travelall's have 119"  wheelbases, unless you have one
or  those monster  8 or 10 door limo editions or an ambulance.

Which is weird, considering how important wheelbase is considered
in relation to towing.  I've heard a jillion times from former Travelall
owners who had to buy Suburbans (when IH discontinued the T'all)
that the T'all out-towed the hell out of the Suburban.  But the Suburban
had a full 131" WB (at least the late '70s on, Joel could clarify this).
These weren't IH people at all, either.

So I don't know what (track width, low cg??) gives the Travelall
it's legendary towing ability.

IMHO, the IFS 1010 1/2 ton  tows even better that the 3/4 ton 1210,
providing that it has good ball joints and bushings.  However,
you might need 4wd to get the boat up a slippery dock.

'67 1000B step-side p/up  BG241 + 4spd
'70 1200D 4x4 Travelette 392 4spd
'71 1010 Travelall  392 auto
'73 1210 Wagonmaster, 392 auto

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