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[alfa] Camshaft bearing stud problem
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- From: Jon Pike <jhpike@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:27:46 -0800
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Well.. this is turning into a bit of a saga..
I had the second stud pull loose while doing my last R&R of the cams,
(to put on fresh locktabs) and decided to do it myself, since I had
everything back together at that point, manifolds, Spica, air pump
bracket, etc... and didn't want to pull the head again.
So I buy a Timesert kit, for 8 x 1.25mm.. $45. I measure out
everything, realizing that tapping a blind hole requires some
overdrilling, since taps have incomeplete threads at the end for easy
starting into the hole.
I try to get a definitive "how much deeper do I need to go" answer, but
nobody who really knows is still there, the day before Christmas..
Seems they say .300" Measuring, I get someplace between .250-.300" I
decide splitting the difference is an idea, .275" is pretty close to 7mm.
I finally get one of the guys I had some machine work done, he says "oh
yeah, there's a lot of room under the studs".
So, I measure things out. The hole from the top deck (top of head) to
bottom side (ignoring the rounded bottom of hole) is about 17.4 mm
deep, with about a 6 mm deep wider countersink area. The Timesert is
about 11.7 mm from top to bottom. I want to add 7mm extra depth for the
nose of the tap, which comes to a total hole depth of 24.4 mm.
Here's something neat I found out about the Timeserts.. The drill is
very close to the inside diameter of the cam bearing cap! I was told of
the trick of using a junk cam bearing cap, drill it out on a drill press
for a square hole, then use the cap to guide your drilling of the head.
I was even given a cap to use the first time around.. but this drill
was much smaller than the drilled out cap. Maybe that's the Helicoil
diameter? Anyway, the Timesert drill is about .035" smaller than the
stock cap's hole, no drilling or damage and it guides pretty well. I
measure and mark the depth to the top of the cap on the drill with
tape. Great...
Here's where I start to screw things up. First off, I didn't pull the
exhaust cam. I was going to save a bit of time and hassle by leaving it
in there. If I had.. I probably would have noticed the oil passage
coming up at a 45deg angle, you guessed it, from under the inboard side
cam stud I was about to drill out. Yes, as I hand drilled down with my
tap twister, very near the end I feel a change, and sure enough, I'm
breaking out into air down there!!!
Words were said.. Then some more words... I went away for a while to
relax, then re-assesed the situation. Yup, I drilled into a passage,
Yup, it was oil, not water. I pulled the cam, and could see light, and
some chips. Got the shop vac and a piece of 1/2" hose, a rag for a
cork, and sucked out all the chips, used Q-tips to budge resistant
ones, etc. Apparently no chips farther down the oil passage.
Did some measurements.. found out that just about 20.0mm is how far down
you could drill before you hit oil passage on an inside cam stud. This
is my advancement of Alfa knowlege, since we don't have blueprints for
heads available. Uh, better assume that for the inner exhaust side of
the center cam bearing cap.. no guarentees on the others, but it likely
is the same. Check where that passage goes and at what angle...
So... I thought that I might as well finish the job.. slowly did the
tapping.. It looks like the countersink normally done with a Timesert
isn't needed, since there is a natural countersink, and the tool
dosen't work with it.. designed for flat surfaces, which this is not.
So I tapped it out, with a trimmed down Q-tip stuck farther down the
gallery so new chips wouldn't migrate farther, and many breaks for chip
removal and suction. Inserting the Timesert went easy, and looking at
it seems to show that I could have "fudged" the expected overdrill
somewhat less. I did put a little bit of penetrating green locktite on
the outer edge.
That might have been my second mistake, not waiting to call the
Timesert guys for a better opinion on how deep, though they might have
said "go .300" deeper" after all.. We'll see tomorrow...
I'm debating on what to do on the inner threads, one of the thread
sealing compounds or red high strength locker?
After I calmed down, I realized that an oil passage is better than a
water passage, if a bit of oil leaks past the threads, it's just going
to drain back like the flow from the bearing, but water leaking would be
a disaster. And I'm looking pretty clean, so I don't have to pull the
head and clean all oil galleries.. (I hope!) Is anyone sure of the
oiling layout in the head? I would think that nearly all chips made
would be only in that bearing's gallery, and not be able to go to
others? Do each of the six oil holes in the block go only to each
bearing, or is there cross porting farther up? Am I safe to assume
that I could run the engine for a little bit, and pull the cam to find
whatever leftover stuff right there in the oil port ready for easy
removal? Or is any little bit of something, even aluminum, going to do
damage very fast?
I'm leaving the penetrating lock stuff overnight, haven't installed the
stud for the time being. I'll get some opinions, and be looking to hear
a few from the more serious engine builders and folk who have been thru
this one before.
Thanks, and don't drill too deep!!!
Jon
77 Spider
Irvine, CA
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