Re: [alfa] 164 vs. BM% e36

["Dean" <tessiedog@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Maybe the 164 Q would be a better prospect for out cornering a 116 series
car. The brakes on my 24V 164 super are appalling. New discs and pads and
they fade with one heavy application. There is know way I could drive it
hard on a race track without fitting aftermarket brakes. I drove my standard
alfettas around the track all day, comming into the pits with smoke pissing
from the brakes. They cool off and away you go. Never any fade just a slight
loss of pedal feel through out the day. Alfa dropped the ball when they
stuffed the brakes on the 164. A broken window winder, I would expect that,
but an Alfa shouldnt have bad brakes!
Cheers
Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill LeClair <billleclair@domain.elided>
To: danny P <robustful@domain.elided>; alfa-digest@domain.elided
<alfa-digest@domain.elided>
Date: Thursday, 15 April 2004 7:58
Subject: Re: [alfa] 164 vs. BM% e36


>I do have several track days with a 1991 164L 5sp. The track was Limerock
>located in CT.
>
>My first comment is stay off the brakes, they will start to fade in a
couple
>of laps with hard or even gentle breaking at the entrance to every corner.
>Save the brakes for the end of the strieghts and they will be fine.
>
>Next is cornering, the car is big and heavy compared to a GTV6, and less
>balanced compared to a Milano. With all cars being stock I would say that
>the 164 3.0 will outrun a 2.5 Milano and is about equal with a 2.5 GTV6. A
>3.0 GTV6 will blow the 164 away.
>
>The 164 will understeer but other than that it is fun and safe on the
track,
>Do not abruptly lift the throttle on corners (if you do it will oversteer)
I
>guess that applies for any car.
>
>My advice is to take the car out on the track, you will have fun, the car
>can keep up with early 3 series BMWs. The M3s and M5s will be passing you
>all day, but have fun out there and concentrate on your lap times and keep
>it smooth. You will not be embarrassed by driving that car.
>
>The first Timed event I took third place in the novice class, the second
>event I took second (only  a few 100s of a second from first). The other
>times on the track were not timed, but I had fun.
>
>
>The times at Limerock were in the high 1:16s low 1:17s, maybe someone can
>comment on stock GTV6 times and 2.5 Milano times at Limerock. I was running
>street tires.
>
>
>Bill LeClair
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "danny P" <robustful@domain.elided>
>To: <alfa-digest@domain.elided>
>Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:55 AM
>Subject: [alfa] 164 vs. BM% e36
>
>
>> Well, I know what you're thinking and no, I've never
>> raced a BM% e36.  But has anyone seen a 164 go against
>> an early 90's 3 series?  My wife and I participated in
>> the Mazda Rev it up this weekend in Dallas. It was a
>> great introduction to racing/autocrossing.  We did
>> okay and got to try out the new 220hp Mazda 6.  That
>> car sure is agile.  Not too sure if it's front or rear
>> wheel drive though and not sure if I could tell the
>> difference either way.  But back to Alfas, awhile back
>> Michael Smith had challenged that a 164 can outbreak,
>> outrun, and outcorner milanos and gtv6s. Considering a
>> 164 is a little bigger than a 3 series, can a 164 beat
>> a 3 series on the track?  Just wondering about it if
>> the day ever comes for me to take the 164 out with my
>> wife's BMW club track day.
>>
>> danny
>> dallas, texas
>> 91 164L
>>
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