stag-digest V3 #120

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stag-digest            Tuesday, May 5 1998            Volume 03 : Number 120



Forum for Discussion of Triumph Stags
       Richard Welty <rwelty@domain.elided>
       Digest Coordinator

Contents:

	Re: Viscous Coupling
	Re: Overdrive
	Stag GIS
	Stag GIS
	Diff oil leak
	Diff oil leak

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:28:11 EDT
From: PGAHOWELLS <PGAHOWELLS@domain.elided>
Subject: Re: Viscous Coupling

Hi everyone
I visited the Classic Car Show on Saturday.
Saw four Stags, but main point, following the subject, is that I was watching
the Tony Hart Servicing video on the Stag Owners Club Stand. I didn't watch
much, but what I saw told me 
a)  It is a very good piece of work, very clearly presented.
b)  Tony Hart recommends checking the play in the viscous coupling as part of
the servicing routine. This check is not in the Repair Operation Manual. So he
feels it is a trouble spot that needs a regular check as does Mike

I still prefer Electric. Two of the Stags at the show had electric fans, both
in addition to viscous coupling fans. Thats what I call total paranoia about
overheating.
Peter Howells

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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:38:07 EDT
From: PGAHOWELLS <PGAHOWELLS@domain.elided>
Subject: Re: Overdrive

Stuart
Many thanks for the information concerning the overdrive specialist in
California.
I will get in touch with them.
Regards
Peter Howells 

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ramerman, John" <jramerman@domain.elided>
Subject: Stag GIS

Thanks to all for the feed back on this issue.

It is obvious that people consider that details such as an address will 
facilitate car theft.  Therefore fields (attributes) which can lead to exact 
location of cars should not be included in the GIS attribute data.  I will 
modify the table structure to delete these fields and propose to have 
instead a general location field, only identifying say to suburb/county 
level.

This leads to another question (or two), which I will now pose.  That is I 
am going to play the Devil's advocate and see what happens.

What contact data do we include?  Telephone, fax, e_Mail.  Would these be 
OK?  With a person's name and general location and e_Mail, prospective 
thieves would be able to find your address quite easily.  So we would leave 
out the phone number.  Still an e_Mail in some cases will direct a 
prospective thief to your location.  Following up on the latter, I would 
suggest thieves already know where you live because of your use of this 
list.  They will just use the digital phone book to locate all those with 
your surname and stake out the area to see who drives what.  Pretty scarey 
stuff.

So what do we do about it?

This is a difficult one to overcome.  I didn't think theft of Stags was such 
a big issue.  I thought the car's bad reputation would scare away the 
thieves.  Maybe downunder we don't have quite the problem of classic car 
theft.  However I use a club lock, an anti theft system and the car is 
stored behind a locked garage door.  I live in a small court with most of 
the neighbours at home during the day.  We all know each other and have an 
effective neighbourhood watch scheme.  Fairly secure I suppose.

Apart from the above I still see a GIS as a pretty useful thing.  It could 
still be used to identify locations where cars are stolen, (eg to find a 
pattern), it could have maps displaying car runs, location of businesses 
useful to us, locate cars by general area, information pages, etc.

In the meantime I have found a person willing to host it.  I now need to 
obtain the relevant software.  More on the URL etc later.

Regards

John.

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 03:56:55 -0400
From: Philip J Wardle <Philip_J_Wardle@domain.elided>
Subject: Stag GIS

Hello John,

I agree that making some details such an address freely available as GIS
attributes will definitely facilitate car theft. In the UK, the chances o=
f
having your car stolen over the period of a year are as high as one-in-te=
n
in some inner cities, and Stags are particularly sought after due to the
good rate of return when broken for spares. Cars in the UK are also stole=
n
to order so that they can be spirited away in container trucks to
Continental Europe.

Some years ago, the UK Stag Owners Club used to publish membership
statistics but recognised the problem by summarising by region but didn't=

quote addresses.  Depending on your Internet service provider, I think
emails might be safe as an attribute but I'm no Internet guru. Could the
name and address info be included but password protected so that only
legitimate club officials (and the authorities responsible for
investigating car theft?) could gain access?

Regards,
Phil Wardle

'73 Mk II with Mk I doors
Currently in lots of pieces

I still think the GIS is a good idea, though.

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:19 EDT
From: NickArg <NickArg@domain.elided>
Subject: Diff oil leak

My stag has a steady leak from the front of the diff. This occurs even when
the car 
is just sitting in the garage. I've change the pinion oil seal but this seems
to 
have made no difference. Any suggestions as to what else I should try? Could
the
quill shaft be worn?

I'm also about to change the oil in the gearbox. The manual states 75W for
drain 
and refill, but this doesn't seem to be readily available. Can I use 80W/90 or
90W?

Comments please

Regards

Nick

76 Mk2 Manual/OD in BRG

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:09:09 -0400
From: Mike Wattam <101714.1343@domain.elided>
Subject: Diff oil leak

You don't say which type of oil seal you have fitted.  If it was the
original type leather seal, then it is likely to leak until it absorbs oi=
l
and contracts over the shaft.  If the modern lip type oil seal, there mus=
t
be a problem.

The oil seal running surface on the quill shaft is fairly insensitive to
grooving, but the seal itself can be damaged on refitting the diff.  It i=
s
all too easy to let the weight of the diff be taken on the seal during
fitting when the quill shaft and sub-frame is left in the car.  Mainly fo=
r
this reason, I would advocate dropping the whole subframe assembly (sound=
s
easy, apart from the weight it is) and then it can be offered up nicely
without any strains or possible dirt ingress.

As far as I am aware, there is only one supplier who supplies the absolut=
e
correct size oil seal, and that is Tony Hart (as in many other things).  =
I
have no financial connection with Tony Hart.

I am assuming you also changed the quill shaft bearing.  If you did not,
this will be badly worn, and now running without oil (it was prepacked wi=
th
grease but the leaking oil seal would have washed this out!).

As regards the correct oil, if you use too heavy a grade the synchro
becomes a bit of a pest.  I would however use straight 80 grade as the
lightest available, and this works OK.

Mike Wattam
Triumph Stag Register

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