Re: [alfa] Planning a fraud...or not

[Brian O'Kelley <brian_okelley@xxxxxxxxx>]

I was referring to fact that Kamm tailed 1750s have
more trunk space thus making it easier to fit the dead
body (human murder victim, not ALFA) in said trunk.

As far as the "easier to explain the 2 liter engine" I
was referring to the fact that there were only a
handful of 1750 Kamm tails built (I have one (lucky
me)) so it would be much easier to explain the
presence of a 2 liter motor in a kamm tail.

My apologies for trying to be funny. Between my typo,
odd sentence structure, and overall lack of a sense of
humor, I have done nothing but further deepen the
conspiratorial angle of this thread!! ;^)

Brian

--- alfacybersite <acs@domain.elided> wrote:
> I guess I'm supposed to feel chastised. Sorry. When
> someone is that
> ridiculously and blatantly stating a 'situation', -
> yet your personal
> moral values at the mere use of the word con or
> fraud make you wonder -
> ya really oughta ask yourself, "What's in it for
> him?"
> 
> The answer was nothing. Then why do it? Because I do
> things like that
> and I very much enjoy others on this Digest who
> don't take life all that
> seriously. I've stated this in the past, but when
> working on an Alfa, I
> take it Very seriously. Still I can sit back and
> laugh at much of the
> intricate detail other's and certainly myself are
> willing to go through
> to not just keep 'our' Alfas running, but often
> looking and running
> perhaps even better than new. My opinion is there is
> a lot of
> ridiculousness in doing this and going to the nth
> degree of anality. The
> only thing that makes me feel okay about my own
> anality is there are
> others who certainly outdo me in this area (must I?
> - okay, happy face).
> 
> Back to 'what's in it for him / me': Let's say I
> really did pass the car
> off as a 1750 and is sold on eBay to an unsuspecting
> buyer. He has it
> shipped cross country. After a few thousand miles he
> takes it to his
> non-Alfa-specialized mechanic for an oil and filter
> change. Mechanic has
> a 1750 oil filter, but wait, this one uses a
> screw-on canister type.
> Mechanic does a bit of research and tells the client
> it is a 2000 not a
> 1750. Buyer might be okay with it, but lets assume
> not. He contacts me,
> possibly through his lawyer, and I would (if this is
> what he chooses) be
> required to pay for his cost of the car and shipping
> both way. Plus I'd
> get a major black mark on my eBay 'credit' remarks -
> if not kicked off.
> Currently I have over 50 all positive remarks.
> Why-oh-why would I
> jeopardize this and what would I have accomplished
> in the first place?
> Personally if / when the time comes, I'll use it as
> a positive marketing
> point (for some potential buyers - though not all)
> that it has a 2000
> engine in it.
> 
> ********
> 
> I'm a little confused by Brian O'Kelly's remark: "I
> think the body would
> fit, but it would be a LOT easier with a 1759 kamm
> tail - lots more
> space. And it would be MUCH easier to explain the 2
> liter engine."
> 
> Perhaps Brian is having a bit of fun himself. First,
> I have the '69
> Round-Tail. Secondly, not only did I get it without
> a 1750 engine, the
> early 2000 engine it came with has either a broken
> crank or piston
> stopping the engine from going through a complete
> rotation. Additionally
> it came with No fuel system except (aha!) a 1750
> injection inlet
> manifold. It had been modified to use Webers (which
> were long gone). I
> have a good running spare 2000 engine. I found a
> 1750 (US) air cleaner
> without a 1750 plate at a swap meet. Have a nasty
> (but incorrect) 1750
> air cleaner which has a 1750 plate.
> 
> What I don't understand is the 'lots more space'
> part. There really
> isn't any. Some of the inside metal is different,
> but it is mostly in
> the firewall since the 1750 Kamm-Tail has pendulum
> pedals and the '69
> Round-Tail's are floor mounted. The hoods are
> identical - unlike the
> Giulietta / Giulia Spider hoods whereas the latter
> required a bump to
> allow for the extra 300 cc's height. The exterior
> measurements of the
> two engines (1750 / 2000) are virtually if not
> exactly identical. The
> increased (approximately) 250 cc's were obtained by
> changing the centers
> of the two middle bores, using a bore of 3.30 rather
> than 3.15 (keeping
> the stroke the same at 3.48 and casting a new head
> to fit the 'offset'
> bores.
> 
> Possibly, just possibly the engine sheetmetal is
> different between the
> Euro and US 1750 Kamm-Tail versions since the Euro
> versions used the
> round canister type of air filter / box whereas ours
> use the larger /
> wider oval type.
> 
> ********
> 
> I'm sure most, if not all are incredibly bored with
> this by now (if not
> sooner), but want to add a final comment: Last
> French / Italian Car Meet
> ('03 one coming up Sunday November 2 - Woodley Park)
> I took client's
> Very freshly restored '60 Giulietta Spider Veloce
> for it's first real
> drive (60 miles round-trip) in almost 20 years to
> the Meet. Put it up
> for judging. Knowledgeable judge asked, "Was / is
> the rubber edging
> around the grill and whiskers original?" I said no,
> but thought it
> looked cool (that's elderly CA hip talk). He agreed,
> then knocked off a
> half point, maybe a full one. I believe the same
> vintage Sprints came
> with edging, but the Spiders didn't. Everyone
> complains how the grill
> and whiskers dig into the paint. Not with 'my' car
> it won't! Client can
> remove if he wishes. Sometimes originality sucks.
> 
> Oh, it got first place in open cars - in spite of my
> attempted
> 'fraudulent con'.
> 
> Biba
> Irwindale, CA USA
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