Mark Nerberg caught stupid (ignorance can be taught at least!)

[mark kibort <mkibort@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mark Nerberg, my responses are below in >>>>>>>>>>>>
You are amazing.  read my post , you owe me an appology.
My busness is important to me, and you have no Idea what =

you are talking about.     =

MK  READ BELOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ALSO AT THE =

VERY BOTTOM, I HAVE A COPY OF AN EMAIL FROM THE =

mr2 TURBO OWNER.)


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>From: "Mark Nernberg" <mjn@domain.elided>
Subject: Mark Kibort caught lying!

I really hate to continue to allow the abuses of this digest by Mr. =3D
Kibort to continue, but in his recent post to the digest, regarding =3D
"tested" cars with the "eram" device, he wrote:

|MR2 Turbo off street was  198 hp , with eRAM was a gain of 7hp from =3D
5000
|rpm to 6500rmp  and a peak of 9hp.
|(the turbo also had a HKS filter that had already gained 5hp on the =3D
dyno,=3D3D

Having owned and campaigned a Toyota MR2 Turbo (most recently before =3D
acquiring my M3), the stock dyno, using a chassis dyno, measuring HP at =3D=

the rear wheels, will only show 171HP at the rear wheels.  I know this =3D=

from repeated testing on my own car, along with information shared with =3D=

many other MR2 pilots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DEAR MR MARK NERBERG .   HAVE YOU EVER
HEARD OF THE CONCEPT OF BOOST?????    YOU SEE , IF YOU READ MY =

POST, I SAID EXPLICITLY THAT THE MOST AMAZING PART OF THE E-ram =

PRODUCING 7-9HP, WAS THAT THE BOOST LEVEL ON THE TURBO WAS
16PSI.       I WAS AT  THE DYNO ROOM, I HAVE POSTED THE DYNO RUNS =

ON THE WEB PAGE .       198HP TO THE GROUND ON 2 CONSECUTIVE RUNS.
Before the eRAM was even attached to the AFM , which had a bolt on HKS
system on it
YES , YOU SEEM TO KNOW NOTHING.  I read the HKS symbols on the bracket th=
at
the =

HKS dome filter attaches to via a 2.5" diameter rubber tube.    The test
was more amazing
as the 16psi of boost made the 2 liter base motor flow as much air as a 4=

liter motor at 6000rpms
(and we ran it to 6500rpms with no drop off in gains)   =






The second thing which makes Mr. Kibort's post even a more flagrant lie =3D=

is that HKS does not make any filters or filter systems which would fit =3D=

the MR2.  In fact, when I was looking at HKS goodies for my MR2, HKS =3D
told me that most of their setups involved a K&N system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I CANT BELIEVE THIS GUY!!  I WAS THERE, EVEN
THE GUY WHO OWNED THE CAR WAS THERE.    IT WAS AN HKS
ADAPTER AND DOMED, BELMOUTHED INLET,  GREEN FILTER.
a very nice filter that has shown even beter air flow thru the eRAM
but we have not tested it yet for any HP gains.

How much longer until Richard kicks Mr. Kibort off?  Soon, I hope.
?>>>>>>>>>>>>>After this post , you want Richard to kick me off =

when it is you who is calling me a liar???    GET A GRIP
IF YOU WANT THE MR2 "PILOT'S" NAME, i WOULD BE HAPPY =

TO POST, NOT ONLY HIS EMAIL ADDRESS , BUT THE PICTURES
AS THEY ARE AT:   =

  WWW.INNOVENTIONS.ORG.


Mark J. Nernberg
arete est epistime<

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From: "Ali S" <ali_94@domain.elided>
To: mkibort@domain.elided
Subject: Re: dyno runs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:13:39 PST
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain

Your filter and eram should bolt right up.. i just have a hks filter on =

right now.. The hks intake attaches to the stock pipe about three inches =

away from the afm. Both air boxes are removed, so there is a lot of =

room.. im sure you can test the weapon r filter..

What time do you want to do this?? Can i get directions? i can come from =

237 or central expressway.. I work in santa clara..
Ali
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi mark

i just posted something on the board. Let me know if you want me to add =

more information. Ill let you know about ordering an eram, it did show =

some good results all the way across the power band. Thank again for =

letting me dyno my car..

Ali

Ali,
I used the numbers for the 5th run with the weapon R as they were the =

best  numbers , especially at the higher speeds. I posted already, but ca=
n
you post something?????

Actually, I have to send you the numbers and the graphs for the 5th run =

and the =

the 3rd baseline run.  Average of about 7 hp.  They cross at 5200 and it
really is better
>from that point forward.    Below 5200 it is good too all the way down t=
o
4500, where they are
 the same back down to the turbo spooling up at =

3500 rpm

Lots of fun testing the car, let me know if you want to put one on your =

car someday.   I would make you one for my cost of the parts if later you=
 =

want one.
9hp is a pretty big gain

Mark

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