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synth oil... (fwd)
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Subject: synth oil... (fwd)
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From: mcbill@domain.elided (Garrett McWilliams)
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:20:23 +0500
This came through on the RX-7 list. FYI
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>Here is another comment on the Dino vs. Synth discussion that pops up
>here with clockwork repetition ...
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>Jeff, you want to put this in the FAQ?
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>[Standard disclaimers -- if you use it & Mazda doesn't like it, it's not
>*my* fault :-) :-) ]
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>John M. Feiereisen (feiereis@domain.elided) wrote:
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>(Forwarded by rali@domain.elided from the NEDoD mailing list)
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>: Nothing shuts an engineer up quicker than hard data.
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>: Keep in mind as you read this that I used to develop lubricating oil
>: *additives* and not the finished oil. All the people I used to work
>: with were of the mind that the base oil is merely there to carry the
>: additives. Of course, we'd whip up finished oils using these
>: additive packages to carry out engine tests and field tests. Even the
>: senior engineers pretty much all used high quality naturals in their
>: personal vehicles. We all have always believed that oil cleanliness
>: and a decent additive package were the foremost concerns in oil
>: performance.
>:
>: In the quest for knowledge (not to mention I just dumped a shitload
>: of work on my prof's desk and can screw off for the next week), I
>: decided to try out one of those newfangled search engines over at our
>: engineering library. I did a search on synthetic oils and got quite
>: a few hits.
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>: Now, try to keep your cheering down. Don't bother to light up the
>: flame units as traffic on the internet is already getting pretty
>: high and I think the following could have the most profound impact
>: on the net since Robert Morris 'accidentally' released his virus.
>:
>: I was wrong. (feel free to replace 'wrong' with the adjective of
>: your choice)
>:
>: One of the hits on my literature search was:
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>: Synthetic Automotive Engine Oils PT-22
>: (selected papers through 1981)
>: Prepared under the auspices of the Fuels & Lubes committee of SAE.
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>: An underlying theme ran through all the included papers:
>: * improved wear (data)
>: * improved oxidation (data)
>: * improved deposits (data)
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>: Most of the papers included experimental data (bench, engine, and field
>: tests. A number of the papers seem to indicate that while the wear
>: properties of the synthetic base stocks are somewhat better than the
>: natural base stocks, they respond *much* more to additization than the
>: naturals, resulting in *significant* performance benefits (yes, yes, at
>: pressures and temperatures lower than those at the cores of neutron
>: stars).
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>: A number of them also mentioned that the dispersancy of the synthetics
>: was not significantly different than the naturals. (I guess additives
>: are good for something) Never underestimate the importance of a good
>: dispersant.
>:
>: Virtually all the papers mention the cost effectiveness issue. Whether
>: synthetics are cost effective in your application depends on lot of
>: factors. Since only about 2% of the crude can be made into base stock
>: for lube oils, a lot of work is going into less expensive processes
>: for making synthetics, which can be synthesized from much more of the
>: crude. Thus the price of synthetics is dropping (relative to the
>: naturals) and is expected to drop much more in the future.
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>: Still, I feel that since the oil makers are really only concerned
>: about getting API certifcation, they probably tend to dose their
>: synthetics lighter than their naturals. If it makes SH/CE (or
>: whatever) why waste the additive?
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>: Hell, I might even try Mobil-1 in my Nighthawk at the next oil change.
>:
>: This is the last you'll hear this washed-up lubrication engineer
>: say anything disparaging synthetic oils. Again, try to contain
>: your enthusiasm. If you're looking at a color terminal you might even
>: be able to see the redness in my face.
>:
>: (I'm lucky I don't live in Singapore! :-) )
>:
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>Reto
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>R A Lichtensteiger rali@domain.elided
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