[alfa] Re: V6 Engine swaps

[George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Looks like a perfect candidate for a Hawk HF 3000 power plant. The 
HF3000 kit car is a PERFECT replica of a Lancia Stratos. and one of the 
optional engine/transmission configurations is an Alfa 164 unit. I 
believe that the US importer for Hawk kit cars is located in Florida, 
making it easier for you. The original Lancia Stratos came with the 
Ferrari Dino 246 engine/tranny, but these power plants are expensive 
and hard to to come by and the Alfa motor has more low-end torque and 
parts are plentiful/cheap.

http://www.hawkcars.co.uk/hf3000/index.html


George Graves
'86 GTV-6 3.0 'S'


On Dec 31, 2003, at 1:59 AM, alfa-digest wrote:


> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:55:23 -0500
> From: Brad Porter <zarda124@domain.elided>
> Subject: [alfa] V6 Engine swaps
>
> Hello all,
>
> 	It's me again... the annoying wordy guy that drops by the list once 
> every
> year or two in the wee hours of the morning to ask questions about
> projects/ideas I'll probably never finish, let alone start, using way 
> too
> many commas, ellipsis and run-on sentences.  I'm currently trying to
> decided what to do with the 3.0 164 motor I have.  I've got a few 
> questions
> to help get me dreaming in the right direction.  The motor I have is 
> from a
> '94 164 and still has the 5-speed transaxle attached.
> 	My first idea was to shoehorn the whole thing (engine/trans) into the 
> back
> of a second generation MR2 (since I have a '91 MR2 turbo, and love 
> it...
> almost as much as I love the Alfa V6).  I have the rear half of an MR2 
> body
> shell, which would make development of the bits and pieces needed for 
> the
> swap easier, but initial rough measurements indicate that it would be 
> a bit
> tight in the engine compartment.
> 	So now I'm thinking of using some other small rear-wheel-drive
> car.  Hmmm... the V6 Spider has already been done.  I wonder if there
> exists some other abundant, cheap and perhaps slightly more *cough* 
> modern
> *cough* little RWD drop-top?
> 	I'm currently trying to figure out what to do about a transmission.  
> In
> the V6 Spiders that have been done (particularly ones using LS or Q
> motors), what transmissions have been used?  I'm wondering if a 
> 4-cylinder
> trans would be able to handle 300+ horses (hey, this is my dream, and 
> in my
> dreams all cars are turbocharged).  If I could find... oh, I don't 
> know...
> some small car with... just making things up here... a normally 
> aspirated
> 1.8 liter and a six-speed transmission, could I expect the trans to 
> survive
> behind an S motor, or a turbocharged S motor?  I've got friends in the
> machine shop biz, so fabrication of a custom adapter plate shouldn't 
> be a
> problem, so long as there's nothing bizarre about this... er...
> hypothetical... six-speed.
> 	BTW, if you're wondering why I'm not putting this motor into a GTV6 or
> Milano, it's because my Milano is currently being fitted with the 
> other 164
> motor I have.  I'm always open to fanciful ideas... what would you do 
> with
> a 164 motor and trans if it were sitting on your garage floor?
>
> 	Sweet dreams,
> 	 -Brad Porter (new resident of Maitland, FL!)
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