164 manual transmission fluid

["Zacharey Cox (Siemens Business Services Inc)" <v-ntxzco@domain.elided>]

So what is the consensus for people that use Redline in their manual
transmission 164's?  I remember using Redline 75w-90NS in my GTV6, & it
greatly improved shifting, especially when cold.  Also, does the 164
take 2 or 4 qts?  I have rec'd mixed stories.



Here is some info borrowed from the 164 digest:







Fluid Change

From: Brad Anesi

Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:49:14 -0600

Subject: <164> 5-speed Transmission Fluid Change



This past Saturday was mostly spent underneath my 164, performing a

number of upgrades (read about the Stebro exhaust install in an

upcoming Alfa Owner), and maintenance items, including a transmission

fluid change.  Draining the fluid was easy enough, requiring both a 10

and 12mm allen socket to remove the two drain plugs.  Re-filling the box

proved much more difficult however, as I could not find the
dipstick/fill

hole as indicated in the Owner's Manual.  After searching for nearly an

hour, I came to the conclusion that the sensor screwed into the top of

the bell housing HAD to be the only way to re-fill the unit and (once

again), I had found another anomaly of the early 164s.  In fact, the

transmission happily drank down the two quarts of RedLine MTL fluid,

and I now have a much smoother shifting gearbox.



Brad

'91 164B (3/90 build)

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From: "Dr. Ted Siverns"

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:34:13 -0700

Subject: 164 Transaxle Lube



There appears to be some confusion on the lubricant for the 164
transaxle.

My question to Redline Synthetic Oil Co. and their reply follows. I hope
it

helps.

What do you recommend for a 1991 164S (5 Speed Manual) Alfa Romeo

transaxle? I'post your answer to the Alfa user group. The Owner's Manual

says Dexron II, the Technical Data says 80W 90. What is the Redline
product

that you recommend? Thanks.



"In my guide '92 guide it calls for a 75W90 GL-5 in the Alfa 164 manual

transmission, in the '97 guide it calls for a Dexron III fluid in the
164.

I would check to see what is in the gearbox, you should be able to tell
if

it is an ATF or gear oil. If it is an ATF I would recommend Red Line
D4ATF,

if a gear oil I would recommend Red Line 75W90NS in your Alfa. The most

recent recommendation is the Dexron III. It appears in the 164 that Alfa

changed their recommendation at some point, possibly to improve cold

shiftability. I don't know that they changed the transmission.  Thank
you

for your interest in Red Line Oil."

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From: bjanesi@domain.elided (Bradley J. Anesi)

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:02:18 EST

Subject: Which Redline Fluid for 164 5-speed -Reply



"Todd Boyer"  asks...



>anybody know which type of Redline synthetic to use in a 164 manual

gearbox?

I've had Redline MTL in mine for over a year (with good results) which
is

what Redline suggests for manual boxes which spec' ATF fluid.



Hope this helps,



Brad Anesi

'91 Project 164Q 5-speed



Thanks,

Zach

Redmond, WA

'91 164S

'99 Ducati 900SS
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