Re: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle Alfa)

["John Hertzman" <johnhertzman@domain.elided>]

Peter Webb says " It was stated the Giulietta "short truck" of the eighties
was a transaxle car. It was indeed a conventional setup and although carries
a 116 number, follows the drive train of a 115"
For starters, Russ said "short trunk", "not short truck". For finishers, the
Milano was a Giulietta Nuova (the "Giulietta of the eighties", actually
dating from the late seventies to 1985) facelifted (new hood, decklid, and
fenders) repowered with the V6 and tweaked with various goodies, but same
doors, sideframe, roof, most of the floorpan. If Peter knows someone with a
copy of Fusi he should look at pages 797-804. P.799 is Fusi's list of
"caratteristiche tecniche" with De Dion, Watt's Link, rear gearbox, torsion
bars, and the Milano's 2,510 m. wheelbase, six cm. shorter than a 115
Berlina's. P.801 includes a cutaway showing the transaxle and DeDion, and
p.803 includes a section of the standard Alfetta gearbox (ratios differ)
which he can compare with the Alfetta gearbox section drawing on p.736.
Alternately, he can use any other reference source. I'm afraid Peter has
been misinformed. It happens to most of us at one time or another. Grin and
bear it.
Cheers,
John H.
----- Original Mess"age -----
From: "Peter Webb" <webb.p@domain.elided>
To: "John Hertzman" <johnhertzman@domain.elided>; <alfa@domain.elided>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle Alfa)


> It was stated the Guilietta "short truck" of the 80s was a transaxle car.
> It was indeed a conventional setup and although carries a 116 number,
> follows the drive train of a 115.
>
> -Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-alfa@domain.elided [mailto:owner-alfa@domain.elided]On Behalf Of
> John Hertzman
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 22:02
> To: alfa@domain.elided
> Subject: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle Alfa)
>
>
> Russ wrote:
>
> "The 'Transaxle' Alfas are the Alfetta in sedan and coupe versions, the
> GTV-6
> and the Milano.  The 164 may have a transaxle, but it is WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
> and
> therefore, deserves a different designation.  <GRIN>
>
> "There were other 'Transaxle' Alfas not imported here.  The short trunk
> Giulietta sedan comes immediately to mind.  I am not sure where if the SZ
> and
> RZ had a transaxle or not, but I think they must have as they did have a
> DeDion rear axle.
>
> "I guess the 'Transaxle' Alfas might have been know as the 'DeDion' Alfas
> just
> as easily."
>
> And Richard Welty poked a hole in the proposed transaxle/DeDion
equivalency
> by
> adding the DeDion/non-transaxle Alfa 6, often called the Alfa Sei to avoid
> confusion with other six cylinder Alfas. (The "6" in the Alfa 6 probably
> referred to the six cylinder engine originally, but there was also a five
> cylinder version). Another possible objection to equating transaxles with
> DeDions is that some of the most famous Alfas had transaxles and swing
> axles,
> not DeDions.
>
> The distinction Russ draws between the proper "Transaxle" Alfas and the
> "WRONG
> WHEEL DRIVE" Alfas is also troubled, as the Alfa Romeo tipo AR 1090 of
> 1959-1964 had a correct-end transaxle coupled directly to a wrong-end
> engine.
> I don't think we want to go there. (Many people don't consider it a "real"
> Alfa despite its name and badge.)
>
> I have long felt that it was reasonable to use Alfa's type numbers to
> distinguish the 105/115 cars from the 750/101 cars, as well as from each
> other
> in both cases. If that is accepted as reasonable, the analogous term for
the
> correct-end engine, correct-end drive, transaxle cars would be the 116/162
> cars, as the Alfettas, Giulietta Nuovas, and GTV 6 were all tipo 116 while
> the
> Alfa 90, 75, Milano, SZ and RZ are all tipo 162. (the Sei, and only the
Sei,
> is a tipo 119).
>
> John H.
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