So what does "Beretta the Italian word" mean? Big pistoli? GM stole the name for their shit car, and defied Beretta to sue them. By the way, GM makes their shit cars at Lordstown, hence the joke I was making. Mr. Goose -- to be removed from alfa, see /bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to majordomo@domain.elided